Grateful Dead Live at Carousel Ballroom on 1968-03-16
shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries.
1. d1t3 ~8:09 very brief drop out;~11:01 several very brief partial drop outs
2. d2t5 ~ brief diginose ~ 4:56
3. This show has a pH of 1!!
4. Dark Star > China Cat > Eleven is found on the SMR box set.
Subject: RE: The Eleven
The Dark Star>China Cat>Eleven I find for the most part to be very inspired for this period. I disagree somewhat about the Eleven and the band "flailing about" - the jam definitely does meander somewhat, but overall I find there is a lot of excellent interplay between Garcia and Lesh, with Jerry turning up the flames a bit towards the end of the jam. Probably not one of the best versions ever, but very nice and unique.
There is certainly no debate when it comes to this Alligator though - it could be even better than 2/14/68, and is easily one of the greatest of all time.
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Subject: K boy is right
When I finally saw them live, March of '73, it was a disappointment. Pig had just died. I could barely make them out from the far end of the 15,000 seat Nassau Coliseum. I saw them probably less than a dozen times, up until the early '80's, and they never lived up to the old tapes and records.
Yet I'm a Dead Head. Have been since '71, and I listen to them here at the archive every day.
Subject: I wasn't there...
I try to stay away from Set list disputes because I wasn't there. I know shows must have gotten jumbled up and mislabeled & destroyed & then again, there are so many shows that have no sets listed at all!
Anyway, [This] show rocks, chock full of goodies & I believe, after all of my petty nitt-picking, here is a show that brings together all of the elements of the bands core structure & though formless most of the time, peaks in some enormous spots; giving Pig room to work; with great harmonica & presence, he seems to push his way right to the front of the song-maybe he intimidated Jerry a little(speculative); but, maybe some conversations had been had about set lists & how to get even further into the audience's psyche. As a stage musician myself, I do notice when people are interested & when to throw in that song that will lure them further down the rabbit hole, where we can all take the same trip & reciprocate the vibe- that kind of thing won't happen unless you're doing it show after show- this is only March 16, 1968 & they'd only been at it for a couple of years solid. You can tell iron is being worked with fire and hammer & The Grateful Dead are a force to be reckoned. Imitated more times than can be counted, but, listen and you will know, this band is the real deal.
Subject: We Bid You Goodnight
Subject: I think I was there
Subject: The GRATEFUL DEAD "Live On Stage" March 16, 1968, at the Carousel Ballroom, San Francisco, CA, U.S.A.
5 stars for the mix
5 stars for the recording
5 stars for the performance
5 stars for the Duke-Vernon transfer
I highly recommend adding this show to your 1968 GRATEFUL DEAD collection.
The GRATEFULD DEAD were a force to be reckoned with in the 1960's.
Here is the music that captured a generation and altered the world forever.
"There is nothing like a GRATEFUL DEAD concert"
Eat, Drink, Be Merry and Listen to the GRATEFUL DEAD.
Thanks for the love from 1968.
PS: Remember to click on the DeadLists Project link and download the "poster" & "ticket" for this show...
PSS: Get March 17, 1968 at the Carousel Ballroom, it's a download at: http://www.deadnetstore.com/Commerce/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductGuid=3e9e4ec2-d804-486f-bf8b-355b58acd0b4&CategoryGuid=7e9a5ea1-a9db-4e07-946a-985bef589a57
Moreover, to tell the truth none of the shows I went to after 72 never really did anything for me.
My point is that we need to be cognizant of others age and beliefs in “best years”.
It is all relative to that person at the show and this is his/her favorite show/year.
I went to Pigs funeral and remember walking out and thinking that I could never enjoy a show. I did, but not like the tapes of 67-69
Like acid, my first was the best.
K boy Texas
Subject: Becoming Jerry Garcia
Subject: First performance of We Bid You Good Night
Nice Dark Star. Jerry stumbles at the start of China Cat, then stumbles again on guitar just before the final vocals start. But otherwise, a fine effort in the style of China Cats of this period. This was one of the last times they played it before dropping it for almost year, replacing it with St. Steven.
But the first unfortunate cut of this tape is the end of China Cat, so we don’t have the transition to the Eleven. The Eleven has a bit different feel than others of this period, more bounce and less high-voltage. At several points it almost sounds as if they’re about to go into Goin’ Down the Road. Phil does some fine work here. I wouldn’t say it’s the best of the year, but it is good.
This is a good Schoolgirl. Pigpen’s harp and vocals sound great and Jerry is in the zone, though it does go on a few minutes too long.
This is one of the shows used in Anthem of the Sun. It spounds like portions of The Other One may have been used, maybe a bit of Alligator but that’s just a guess. But the reprise of Cryptical--Arggh! The jam is cut from the recording. Argh, I say. The beginning of Alligator is also missing. But the Alligator jam is fast-paced and electric, as is Caution. That latter is peppered with Pigpen on harp and is, at times, pure dynomite. Then, ARGHHH! Another cut: the transition into feedback is missing. Argh, indeed.
Dew aficionados, take note: this a very good Morning Dew, with Jerry and Phil dancing together instrumentally. I agree that it was probably at the beginning of the show, and not an encore after Good Night.
Even with the exasperating cuts, a fine Anthem-era show, though the February shows were a bit better.
Subject: Good stuff!
Subject: Morning Dew placement
I agree that the chances that it follows AWBYGN are low. But, having listened to the stream, I can't see how it fits before Hurts me too.. something about it doesn't strike me as correct, I guess, placing it there. Two songs in a row with distinct stoppages (Crowd clapping)?
What I consider in favor of AM Dew coming before DS... 1 - The sound levels are up and down. This may be on the tape, but it strikes me as appropriate that if it's not the source, but the taper, that they'd mess with levels on the 1st song.
2 - Reviewing Deadlists set lists for shows in the same general time period reveals that AM Dew was often a 1st set song, and several times came before Dark Star.
All that said, I really don't have any "authority" other than my instinct here, so take it for what it's worth.
Great show, by the way. I think the Gator is not as solid as 2/14/68 (My favorite show (or maybe second behind 2/14/70)) but it's pretty close.
Furthermore, upon a closer listen, the notes before Hurts me too are clearly Clementine.
Subject: Nicely said
The height of the war.
But there is soo much not on this site from 68'.
Subject: Morning Dew placement??
just from the fact alone that 'dew' in 68 is more likely placed in the opener spot, and 'bid you goodnight' is hardly ever(-if never?) followed by another song.
On top of that, i don't really see 'it hurts me too' being the set opener either.
so, IMO i would rearrange the tracks and put the Morning Dew at the beginning of the second disc, with the 'bid you goodnight' being the final track.
Subject: Classic Hands down best Alligator ever
Subject: Wow. There should be many more reviews
The Alligator absolutely DEFINES 60's psychedelic rock. The licks that Garcia pulls out of his ass from 12 minutes through 13 minutes here are off the charts...why did he have to find Heroin?
Subject: Wow. There should be many more reviews
Subject: According to Phil...
As for the playing, I think that the show is mostly great, though I strongly disagree that this is one of the greatest Elevens ever. Overextended by at least 5 minutes, the band just flails around aimlessly starting around 9:30, trying to pick up an individual theme but it seems that no one is up to the challenge, so the jam simply peters out WAY too late, with Jerry steering them into a good Schoolgirl with some really good Pig (gotta love his harp solos). The second set is good, though I agree the cut in Cryptical is a buzzkill. Excellent Other One and a smoking Alligator jam.
As for the sound quality, it's not the greatest-- somewhat hissy and muddy, and nowhere close to the clarity of 2/14, 10/12 or 10/20 but quite listenable and should be of no problem to fans of this era like me.
Subject: Cut during Cryptical
So just when they had brought Cryptical up to the exploding point, the tape cuts out. Ouch. But then Alligator comes in and goes the distance.
Subject: The Eleven
Subject: Violent Caution-Feedback
Watch out for your EARS!!! And your mind while your at it.